Monday, May 28, 2012

The Story of Creation (18 - A): Tuba Volcanic Eruption and Noah Flood, Noah's Ark Remains...


It's well known that Atheists deny the existence of prophets and messengers of God, if not all then most of them, whenever they hear their stories they reply exactly as described in the holy Quran in the following verse:

ومنهم من يستمع اليك وجعلنا على قلوبهم اكنة ان يفقهوه وفي اذانهم وقرا وان يروا كل اية لا يؤمنوا بها حتى اذا جاؤوك يجادلونك يقول الذين كفروا ان هذا الا اساطير الاولين

There are those among them who (apparently) listen to you, but We have put coverings on their hearts, so that they do not understand, and heaviness in their ears. If they were to see all the signs, they would still not believe in them, so much so that, when they come to quarrel with you, the disbelievers say, “It is nothing but tales of the ancients.” [6:25]

But, how to convince the Atheists that prophets were real and existed on Earth once, and their stories are not tales of the Ancients? 

Fortunately, the answer is easy and it's because of ALLAH wisdom he gave it to us in his holy book, each time he mentions a story of his main prophets he mentions a great natural or humans happening (or phenomenon) that can be tracked or seen till our days, so by proving that such event happened once then during its time there was a prophet too, exactly as ALLAH said.

So starting with Noah (PBUH), the main event was the flood, but how we can prove it scientifically?

Before talking about Noah story in Quran, let's review the following facts about Ice age, Glacial flood, and Toba super-eruption in short.


[Science]

Quoted from: A quick background to the last ice age

As the cold grew more severe, the Earth's climate also became drier because the global 'weather machine' that evaporates water from the oceans and drops it on the land operates less effectively at colder temperatures and when the polar sea ice is extensive. Even in areas that were not directly affected by the ice sheets, aridity began to cause forests to die and to give way to dry grassland, which requires less water to survive. Eventually, much of the grassland retreated to give way to deserts and semi-deserts, as global conditions reached a cold, dry low point around 70,000 years ago (this is called the Lower Pleniglacial). By this time, most of northern Europe and Canada were covered by thick ice sheets.

In-between. By around 60,000-55,000 years ago, conditions around the world had become warmer, though still generally colder than today. The ice melted back partially, and there followed a long 'middling' phase in which the climate oscillated between warmer and colder conditions, often in sudden jumps. During some parts of this phase, conditions in the tropics may have been moister than they are at present, and at other times they were drier. Generally, the mid-latitude zones seem to have been drier than present, with cold steppe and wooded steppe instead of forests.

Cooling again. After about 30,000 years ago, the Earth's climate system entered another big freeze-up; temperatures fell, deserts expanded and ice sheets spread across the northern latitudes much as they had done 70,000 years ago. This cold and arid phase which reached its most extreme point sometime around 21,000-17,000 years ago (18,000-15,000 radiocarbon years ago) is known as the Late Glacial Cold Stage (and is also sometimes called the Upper Pleniglacial). [1]

Quoted from: Toba catastrophe theory

 The Toba super-eruption was a super-volcanic eruption that occurred sometime between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra, Indonesia). It is recognized as one of the Earth's largest known eruptions. The related catastrophe theory holds that this event plunged the planet into a 6-to-10-year volcanic winter and possibly an additional 1,000-year cooling episode. This change in temperature resulted in the world's human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution. [2]

Quoted from: The Colossal Toba Super-Eruption 74,000 Years Ago Led to Near Extinction of Homo-Sapiens

An area of widespread speculation about the Toba super-eruption is that it nearly drove humanity to extinction. The fact that the Middle Palaeolithic tools of similar styles are found right before and after the Toba super-eruption, suggests that the people who survived the eruption were the same populations, using the same kinds of tools, says Dr Petraglia. The research agrees with evidence that other human ancestors, such as the Neanderthals in Europe and the small brained Hobbits in Southeastern Asia, continued to survive well after Toba. [3]



Quoted from Wikipedia: Glacial lake outburst flood

A glacial lake outburst flood (GLOF) is a type of outburst flood that occurs when the dam containing a glacial lake fails. The dam can consist of glacier ice or a terminal moraine. Failure can happen due to erosion, a buildup of water pressure, an avalanche of rock or heavy snow, an earthquake or cryoseism, volcanic eruptions under the ice, or if a large enough portion of a glacier breaks off and massively displaces the waters in a glacial lake at its base. [4]


Quoted from Wikipedia: Outburst flood

In geomorphology, an outburst flood, which is a type of megaflood, is a high magnitude, low frequency catastrophic flood involving the sudden release of water. During the last deglaciation, numerous glacial lake outburst floods (GLOF) were caused by the collapse of either ice sheets or glaciers that formed the dams of proglacial lakes. Examples of older outburst floods are known from the geological past of the Earth and inferred from geomorphological evidences in Mars. Landslides, lahars, and volcanic dams can also block rivers and create lakes, which trigger such floods when the rock or earthen barrier collapses or is eroded. Lakes also form behind glacial moraines, which can collapse and create outburst floods. [5]

[Summary]

So, let's summarize what happened exactly around the 70,000 years ago:

-        The Earth was covered by ice during a glacial period.
-        The Tube super-eruption happened and was the biggest ever that Earth ever know.
-        After Eruption, there was a rapid change to Earth Temperature and a long winter.

Knowing that glacial lake outburst flood happen after volcanic eruption or ice rapid melting. The flood caused by such event will be catastrophic.

[Quran]

Let's read the verses that describe the natural events before and during Noah Flood as mentioned in Quran:

حَتَّى إِذَا جَاءَ أَمْرُنَا وَفَارَ التَّنُّورُ قُلْنَا احْمِلْ فِيهَا مِن كُلٍّ زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ وَأَهْلَكَ إِلاَّ مَن سَبَقَ عَلَيْهِ الْقَوْلُ وَمَنْ آمَنَ وَمَا آمَنَ مَعَهُ إِلاَّ قَلِيلٌ 40 وَقَالَ ارْكَبُواْ فِيهَا بِسْمِ اللَّهِ مَجْرَاهَا وَمُرْسَاهَا إِنَّ رَبِّي لَغَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ 41 وَهِيَ تَجْرِي بِهِمْ فِي مَوْجٍ كَالْجِبَالِ وَنَادَى نُوحٌ ابْنَهُ وَكَانَ فِي مَعْزِلٍ يَا بُنَيَّ ارْكَب مَّعَنَا وَلاَ تَكُن مَّعَ الْكَافِرِينَ 42 قَالَ سَآوِي إِلَى جَبَلٍ يَعْصِمُنِي مِنَ الْمَاء قَالَ لاَ عَاصِمَ الْيَوْمَ مِنْ أَمْرِ اللَّهِ إِلاَّ مَن رَّحِمَ وَحَالَ بَيْنَهُمَا الْمَوْجُ فَكَانَ مِنَ الْمُغْرَقِينَ 43 وَقِيلَ يَا أَرْضُ ابْلَعِي مَاءَكِ وَيَا سَمَاء أَقْلِعِي وَغِيضَ الْمَاء وَقُضِيَ الأَمْرُ وَاسْتَوَتْ عَلَى الْجُودِيِّ وَقِيلَ بُعْدًا لِّلْقَوْمِ الظَّالِمِينَ 44

At last, when Our command came and the oven overflowed, We said, “Take into the Ark a pair of two from every species, along with your family, except those against whom the Word has already been pronounced and (also take into it) those who have believed.” And there were only a few who had believed with him. (40) He (Nuh) said, “Embark it. With the name of Allah it sails and anchors. Surely, my Lord is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.” (41) And it was sailing with them amidst the waves like mountains. And Nuh called out to his son, who was at an isolated place, “O my child, come on board with us, and do not be in the company of the disbelievers.” (42) He said, “I shall take shelter on a mountain which will save me from the water.” He said, “There is no saver today from the command of Allah, except the one to whom He shows mercy.” And the waves rose high between the two, and he was among those who were drowned. (43) It was said (by Allah), “O earth, suck in your water, and O heaven, stop.” And water subsided, and the matter was over. It (the Ark) came to rest on the Judi, and it was said, “Away with the wrongdoers.” (11:44)

وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَى قَوْمِهِ فَلَبِثَ فِيهِمْ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ إِلاَّ خَمْسِينَ عَامًا فَأَخَذَهُمُ الطُّوفَانُ وَهُمْ ظَالِمُونَ 14 فَأَنجَيْنَاهُ وَأَصْحَابَ السَّفِينَةِ وَجَعَلْنَاهَا آيَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ 15

We sent Nuh to his people. So he stayed with them one thousand, less fifty, years. Then the Deluge seized them, and they were transgressors. (14) So We saved him and the people of the Ark, and made it a sign for all the worlds. (29:15)

وَنُوحًا إِذْ نَادَى مِن قَبْلُ فَاسْتَجَبْنَا لَهُ فَنَجَّيْنَاهُ وَأَهْلَهُ مِنَ الْكَرْبِ الْعَظِيمِ 76 وَنَصَرْنَاهُ مِنَ الْقَوْمِ الَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا بِآيَاتِنَا إِنَّهُمْ كَانُوا قَوْمَ سَوْءٍ فَأَغْرَقْنَاهُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ 77

And (remember) Nuh, when he called (for help) earlier, so We responded to him and saved him and his family from the terrible agony, (76) And helped him against the people who gave the lie to Our verses. Indeed, they were the people of evil, therefore, We drowned them all. (21:77)

وَلَقَدْ نَادَانَا نُوحٌ فَلَنِعْمَ الْمُجِيبُونَ 75 وَنَجَّيْنَاهُ وَأَهْلَهُ مِنَ الْكَرْبِ الْعَظِيمِ 76 وَجَعَلْنَا ذُرِّيَّتَهُ هُمْ الْبَاقِينَ 77

And Nuh did call Us (for help after he was disappointed with his people), so (We accepted his prayer, as) We are the best to respond. (75) And We delivered him and his family from the great agony, (76) And made his progeny the sole survivors (from the Deluge). (37:77)

كَذَّبَتْ قَبْلَهُمْ قَوْمُ نُوحٍ فَكَذَّبُوا عَبْدَنَا وَقَالُوا مَجْنُونٌ وَازْدُجِرَ 9 فَدَعَا رَبَّهُ أَنِّي مَغْلُوبٌ فَانتَصِرْ 10 فَفَتَحْنَا أَبْوَابَ السَّمَاءِ بِمَاء مُّنْهَمِرٍ 11 وَفَجَّرْنَا الأَرْضَ عُيُونًا فَالْتَقَى الْمَاءُ عَلَى أَمْرٍ قَدْ قُدِرَ 12 وَحَمَلْنَاهُ عَلَى ذَاتِ أَلْوَاحٍ وَدُسُرٍ 13 تَجْرِي بِأَعْيُنِنَا جَزَاءً لِّمَن كَانَ كُفِرَ 14 وَلَقَد تَّرَكْنَاهَا آيَةً فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ 15

The people of Nuh denied (the truth) before them. So they rejected Our servant, and said, “(He is) a madman”, and he was (also) threatened (by them). (9) So he prayed to his Lord saying, “I am overpowered, so defend (me).” (10) So We opened the gates of the sky with water pouring forth profusely, (11) And We caused the earth to gush forth as springs; so the water (of both kinds) met together for a destined event. (12) And We caused him (Nuh) to board that (ship) which had planks and nails, (13) Which sailed under Our Eyes, as a reward for the one who was rejected (by the infidels). (14) And We left it (the ship) as a sign. So, is there one to take lesson? (54:15)

Explanation:

From the above verses, we understand the following:

1.     Before the flood, the oven was overflowed, or if we translate the exact word "Far" in Arabic it will be literally means "erupted".

وفارتِ القِدْرُ تَفُور فَوْراً وفَوَراناً إِذا غلت وجاشت. وفار العِرْقُ فَوَراناً: هاج ونَبَعَ., ويقال للرجل إِذا غضب: فارَ فائرُه وثارَ ثائرُه أَي انتشر غضبه. وفي الحديث: إِن شدة الحرّ من فَوْرِ جهنم أَي وَهَجِها وغلياها.

Muslim scholars interrupted that "oven" is the same oven used for cooking by ancient people which was overflowed by rain water, but the verse is talking about one "Oven" only and if we see the photos of an oven used by Arabs and how it looks like, it has exactly the same like volcano shape as shown in the following figures:

Therefore, it's clear that this verse is giving a sign to an eruption of huge volcano, described as oven here because it has the same shape and to show the enormous amount of temperature, pressure and lava inside such "volcano" which will be released before the flood.


2.     The weather turned to heavy winter which exactly matches what mentioned above, that after Tuba eruption, there was a long winter which some estimated it to last for 1 year long and some say for a decade.

3.     The verses mentions that Earth springs exploded with huge flood, and this due to the rapid milting of ice layers on northern hemisphere which caused a massive flood, and both water has joined to form huge massive flood.

The following shows a flood caused by Greenland volcano which is incomparable to the super-eruption of tuba volcano:




 The following shows a spring water that can be poured from ice melting:

The verse mention additional information: that human population has extinct after the flood and only the children of Noah and their offspring had survived which matches too with above facts.

The last important thing, that verse say that Noah ship was rested on "Mountain of Judi" and in another verses, it was left as  "sign for all worlds" !!

Before searching on Judi Mountain, let's check the following verses from bible that talk about "Noah Ark".


"Ararat Mountain" Vs. "Judi Mountain"

We talked before that both "Torah, bible (gospels), and Quran" are books from God "ALLAH" sent to his prophets, and it's impossible to contradict unless it's a misunderstanding or a corruption in the old books, where Holy Quran is the only reserved book till now without any change or corruption, and it's reserved by God promise himself.

So, we know that in bible it's said that Noah ship rested on Ararat mountain, but in Quran it's on Judi Mountain? So, how to match between them, and these mountains are far from each others, as shown below.


But, let's read the verses from the bible again..

التكوين 7
١١ فِي سَنَةِ سِتِّ مِئَةٍ مِنْ حَيَاةِ نُوحٍ، فِي الشَّهْرِ الثَّانِى، فِي الْيَوْمِ السَّابعَ عَشَرَ مِنَ الشَّهْرِ فِي ذلِكَ اليَوْمِ، انْفَجَرَتْ كُلُّ يَنَابِيعِ الْغَمْرِ الْعَظِيمِ، وَانْفَتَحَتْ طَاقَاتُ السَّمَاءِ.

11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. [Genesis7:11]

In verse 11, it's clear the flood started on year 600, 2nd month, day 17th..

التكوين 8
٣ وَرَجَعَتِ الْمِيَاهُ عَنِ الأَرْضِ رُجُوعًا مُتَوَالِيًا. وَبَعْدَ مِئَةٍ وَخَمْسِينَ يَوْمًا نَقَصَتِ الْمِيَاهُ،
٤ وَاسْتَقَرَّ الْفُلْكُ فِي الشَّهْرِ السَّابعِ، فِي الْيَوْمِ السَّابعَ عَشَرَ مِنَ الشَّهْرِ، عَلَى جِبَالِ أَرَارَاطَ.
٥ وَكَانَتِ الْمِيَاهُ تَنْقُصُ نَقْصًا مُتَوَالِيًا إِلَى الشَّهْرِ الْعَاشِرِ. وَفِي الْعَاشِرِ فِي أَوَّلِ الشَّهْرِ، ظَهَرَتْ رُؤُوسُ الْجِبَالِ.

3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen. [Genesis8:3-5]

In verses of Genesis 8:3-5, Ark rested on Ararat mountains, and it was in 7th month, day 17th.
Later on, the water kept decreasing till the 10th month and in 10th day the head of mountains started to appear. 

١٣ وَكَانَ فِي السَّنَةِ الْوَاحِدَةِ وَالسِّتِّ مِئَةٍ، فِي الشَّهْرِ الأَوَّلِ فِي أَوَّلِ الشَّهْرِ، أَنَّ الْمِيَاهَ نَشِفَتْ عَنِ الأَرْضِ. فَكَشَفَ نُوحٌ الْغِطَاءَ عَنِ الْفُلْكِ وَنَظَرَ، فَإِذَا وَجْهُ الأَرْضِ قَدْ نَشِفَ.
١٤ وَفِي الشَّهْرِ الثَّانِي، فِي الْيَوْمِ السَّابعِ وَالْعِشْرِينَ مِنَ الشَّهْرِ، جَفَّتِ الأَرْضُ.
١٥ وَكَلَّمَ اللهُ نُوحًا قَائِلاً:
١٦ «اخْرُجْ مِنَ الْفُلْكِ أَنْتَ وَامْرَأَتُكَ وَبَنُوكَ وَنِسَاءُ بَنِيكَ مَعَكَ.

13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.
15 And God spake unto Noah, saying,
16 Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee. [Genesis8:13-16]

In the last verses, it was till year 601, 1st month on its first day, the Earth started to dry.

Then in second month of year 601, on day 27th, ALLAH asked Noah to get out from the ship with his sons and their wives.

So, if we analysis all the above we find the following:

1-     year 600, month 2, day 17: Flood started
2-     year 600, month 7, day 17: Ship rested on Ararat mountains.
3-     year 600, month 10, day 10, Mountains' heads started to appear
4-     year 601, month 1, day 1, Earth started to dry.
5-     year 601, month 2, day 27, God ordered Noah to get out from the ship.

From the above, it's clear that there is 7 months between the time when ship was near Ararat mountain, knowing that its top is one of the highest in the area (5137 m / 16853 ft), so logically it will appear before the other mountains, and this explains finding the stone anchor near the mountain area, but it's not necessary that Noah ship stopped there till the water had dried, which is not logic, the ship could be kept moving over the water till it drained all.

The following figures show the photos of the anchor stone near Ararat mountain.


The following figure shows the location of stone anchor, Ararat mountain view and how its top will appear before other surrounding mountains, and Ark sailing path that it might took till reach the Judi Mountain.


Now, if we used Google Earth to predict the sailing path for the ship that could take from near Ararat mountain (mentioned in the Bible) and the Judi mountain (mentioned in the Quran), is it possible to have a degraded path?

The answer is yes, and the following shows the elevation of Earth for such this path and how the water might decreased during the way, till it rested on the Judi:


But, how to determine the exact path of the ship?

The answer is easy, we follow the river paths, knowing that the water from this great flood (according to some researches) was the reason to fill up many seas including the Black sea, Caspian sea, Aral Sea, and Arabian Gulf Sea too.

So, most probably that ship will follow the path of the nearest rivers as shown in the following figure:


Using Google Earth, then Ark path will most probably be as following:


The following video will shows the path from nearest view moving from Ararat mountain till it reaches Judi mountain.



Where are the exact remains of the Ark, and its correct dimensions?

Returning back to the following verses from the Quran:

وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَى قَوْمِهِ فَلَبِثَ فِيهِمْ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ إِلاَّ خَمْسِينَ عَامًا فَأَخَذَهُمُ الطُّوفَانُ وَهُمْ ظَالِمُونَ 14 فَأَنجَيْنَاهُ وَأَصْحَابَ السَّفِينَةِ وَجَعَلْنَاهَا آيَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ 15

We sent Nuh to his people. So he stayed with them one thousand, less fifty, years. Then the Deluge seized them, and they were transgressors. (14) So We saved him and the people of the Ark, and made it a sign for all the worlds. (29:15)

ALLAH clearly says that we left the Ship (its remains) as sign for all worlds, there must be an indication on Judi mountain that shows the ship, let's go back to GE and search on Judi Mountain:


And If we take a closer view we notice the following shape to the south of Mountain top which could be the remain of Noah's Ark:


Calculating the dimensions of such remains, it's appears to be 661m long x 305m width, as shown below:


Knowing that the claimed Ark's remains near Ararat mountain is 139 m long x 37m width, which is not logic especially for such an Ark that will carry the family of Noah (knowing that they were large in size more than our size) and all the animals that they carried with them. So such small ship most probably will not survive.

Knowing that too many scientists had argued that such shape is natural and it appears in many other places on Earth.


Still 3 questions more..

Q1- Is there any other sign that shows that Noah really step down near the Judi Mountain?

The answer is yes and it's mentioned in the following verses from Genesis 8:

١٨ فَخَرَجَ نُوحٌ وَبَنُوهُ وَامْرَأَتُهُ وَنِسَاءُ بَنِيهِ مَعَهُ.
١٩ وَكُلُّ الْحَيَوَانَاتِ، كُلُّ الدَّبَّابَاتِ، وَكُلُّ الطُّيُورِ، كُلُّ مَا يَدِبُّ عَلَى الأَرْضِ، كَأَنْوَاعِهَا خَرَجَتْ مِنَ الْفُلْكِ.
٢٠ وَبَنَى نُوحٌ مَذْبَحًا لِلرَّبِّ. وَأَخَذَ مِنْ كُلِّ الْبَهَائِمِ الطَّاهِرَةِ وَمِنْ كُلِّ الطُّيُورِ الطَّاهِرَةِ وَأَصْعَدَ مُحْرَقَاتٍ عَلَى الْمَذْبَحِ،

18 And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him:
19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.
20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Noah had built an Altar or temple for God, so is there any sign of this temple near Judi Mountain?

The answer is yes and it's shown on Google Earth too, as shown in the below figure:


Knowing that "Nuh Mabedi" in Turkish language means: "The Temple of Noah".


Q2- How did Noah's Ark reach Ararat mountain area from the beginning?

It's impossible that Noah and his people lived as some claim in South of Iraq then the flood carried them to North of turkey ? logically it's impossible !! Especially the flood water will run in one direction and from high to lower elevations till it reach sea or ocean shores.

Unless People of Noah lived to the north of Ararat which is Black Sea area, but was it proved? Fortunately, yes !!

Quoted From National Geographic News:

Ballard Finds Traces of Ancient Habitation Beneath Black Sea:

Lisa Krause (September 13, 2000)

Off the coast of northern Turkey, 311 feet (95 meters) below the Black Sea, explorer Robert Ballard has discovered remains of an ancient structure that was apparently flooded in a deluge of biblical proportions. The find may lend credence to a theory that a Black Sea flood gave rise to the Noah story and other flood legends. [6]

Quoted from: Atlantis in the Black Sea

In 1997 American Marine-Geologists Walter Pitman and William Ryan published the scientific evidence, that today’s Black Sea used to be a freshwater-lake. Its shoreline then was approximately 350 feet below today’s level of the global ocean. By dating fresh- and saltwater shells with the C14 method they found, that the salinity of the lake changed rapidly from fresh to salty around 5500 BC. They call this Noah’s Flood and we are convinced that this interpretation is true.  [7]

Therefore, by knowing such discovery, it will complete the final missing link about Noah flood, and we can know exactly now: when it was, where it was, how it happened, how the Ark moved over flood water, where it rested, what was its dimensions, where Noah people lived before, and where his family started again...


Q3- Did the flood covered all the Earth, and did Noah carried all the known animals?

This answer needs more researches to know the exact answer, and maybe by using computer SW a simulation to the flood can be recalculated and estimate exactly whether it covered all Earth or part of it only, and if the answer is part of it (which I assume and prefer) then Noah didn’t need to carry all existing animals on his ship, but only domestics animals that he may need for his living, such as cow, goats, sheep, chicken, horse, etc..with no need to carry all millions of animal species that are living now..

Knowing that as we explained before mentioning the "Land" in Quran doesn’t means necessary the Whole Earth it may part of it only.

Finally, List of important locations:
  • Ararat mountain:               Lat: 39°42'5.65"N, Long: 44°15'48.82"E
  • Anchor Stone:                   Lat: 39°37'30.63"N, Long: 43°59'40.88"E
  • Claimed Noah Ark:            Lat: 39°26'23.65"N, Long: 44°14'5.56"E
  • Judi Mountain:                   Lat: 37°23'0.12"N, Long: 42°20'53.22"E
  • Correct Noah Ark Remains: Lat: 37°22'5.54"N, Long: 42°20'35.32"E
  • Noah Temple:                   Lat: 37°22'17.02"N, Long: 42°29'50.33"E (check the photo from GE)

To download the coordinates on Google Earth click on Noah Ark.

Thanks to ALLAH, Lord of the Worlds
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References:

[1] Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Environmental Sciences Division, A quick background to the last ice age, Ref: http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nerc130k.html

[2] Wikipedia, Toba Catastrophe Theory, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory

[3] The Daily Galaxy, The Colossal Toba Super-Eruption 74,000 Years Ago Led to Near Extinction of Homo-Sapiens, Ref: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/03/the-colossal-toba-supereruption-74000-years-ago-caused-near-extinction-of-homosapiens.html

[4] Wikipedia, Glacial Lake Outburst Flood, Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_lake_outburst_flood

[5] Wikipedia, Outburst flood, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outburst_flood

[6] National Geographic News, Ballard Finds Traces of Ancient Habitation Beneath Black Sea, Ref:

14 comments:

  1. Very interesting articles. But if Pitmann said that the rapid change of salinity in Black Sea happened in 5,500 BC, then isn't it too far to be connected with the Toba super eruption 70,000 years ago ?

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  2. My friend anonymous,

    The article is discussing the time when the black sea was filled by water for the first time, that many researches say it was filled by the melting of ice layers (fresh water), but you are referring to 5500 BC when it was changed to salty which's a different subject..

    Note that too many studies prefer to date Noah flood to be in the 5,000 years ago range, but personally I think it was much far in history, and prefer to go with Genetics studies that humans lived for almost 70,000 years (not 7,000) and they were close to extinct around 60,000 years ago..

    Regarding the articles, I thank for your appreciation, I am only trying to explain some of the Holy Quran signs, and I wish to be correct or close to be correct and I ask for God forgiveness if I am wrong..

    My aim is to show these signs to muslims so their faith may increase and to non-muslims so they may consider faith in their God and Creator and save their souls in the second and eternal life..

    I wish that you are among those who believe that universe can't be created by itself, similar to any two materials in lab which can't be mixed alone without exterior power, then universe can't be created from gases and dust into complete and perfect world alone, this exterior power and perfect Creator is the mighty God "ALLAH"..
    I hope also that you are not among who participate any of ALLAH creations with him like status, stones, tree, animals or humans (jesus (PBUH), etc..) ALLAH who created everything in the world doesn’t require help or support from anyone ever..

    To make sure that ALLAH is the only God who is worthy to worship, I invite you to read the following interesting article too:

    http://debatewithmuslim.blogspot.com/2011/03/allah-is-only-god-who-is-worthy-to.html

    Good luck,..

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  3. T are so manythings wrong with your argument, its hard to know where to start. I look at the clain location which has a boat-like shape. Problem one, the bible deminisions for the Ark make it a very long rectangled box. Not like todays common ships.
    The possible place the boat culd have travelled to get from Ararat to Judi is all misguided perception. I agree because Ararat is taler that it would show first, but that doesn't mean the boat had to drift away from the area.

    Several people have already shown in pictures where pats of the Ark rest. One states that the Ahora Gouge contains one of the very large parts that broke off and fell. The explorer spoke that he could see inside the boat and that it has 2 or 3 floors.

    I also seen the theroy of how fast the water drained off the earth after such an event.

    When Noah like saw dry land, he likely was viewing the taller peak, however the bible account says he sent a dove and he dove returned. Which means the dove couldnt settle yet because there was still much water.

    When the Ark rested, theer was still much standing water.
    Also theer areother issues. I can't assume that Mt Ararat was 16000 ft tall then as it is now. The bible says after the flood that plains dipped and mountains were raised. uch of that movement could have been natural and mauch could have not.

    Theer weer pictures taken ona fly-by of Ararat that showed a man made object sitting at a level of about 4000M. It si the exact same loction of a recent finding. This is also the same location where another explorer claimed to have walked on top of the boat many years ago. Earthquakes have only change the location by a small amount. What the latest explorers have found is likely the larger seciton still incased in ice, whiel the smaller section that broke off and fell is at a lower elevation and can't be reached. An earlier explorer mention the section that broke could be seen but was not reachable without heavy equipment.

    Because the peak is so high up and is covered in snow most of the time, real exploration is hard to do. I can't picture some dufus just gong into Mt Arararat to build a shrine thinking the Ak should just be there because they want it to be. It is likely they have found the Ark.

    This has been the latest significant proof and everything else has just been speculative theory.

    Other issues to take in consideration. After the flood geographic locations of land masses also changed. We dont know eher Ararat location was before its location now. How much has thsi continental plate moved in over 6000 years?
    As far as how old humans are? Recorded history shows are aare about 7000 or so years old. Not 70,000. There is nothing to indicate a man was here longer than 7000 years.

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  4. Dear Friend, TJ..

    Also, It was difficult to me to find from where I can start to reply on your comment..
    But to make it short..

    Is it logic that a flood carries a ship to top of 16,000 feet height mountain or to keep it next to river way? Think about it..

    We can debate on this a lot, but I wish if some Archeologists can examine the ruins left on Judi mountain and find whether they belong to Noah Ark and its exact age, it will be great..

    Regards,

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  5. Dear Abdallah,
    Thanks for your clear explanation which with no doubts holds on, except for one thing: how is it possible for a rectangular shape boat (such as the one near mount Judi) to sail with Noah and followers amidst the waves like MOUNTAINS? the usual shape found near mount Tararat is more plausible because it can resist such waves.

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  6. Salam Brother Ahmad,

    The only clue that we have about Noah Ark's shape, is what is mentioned in Gensis 6 which described it as rectangle:

    15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. [Genesis 6]

    But how it survived the huge wages?

    Not to forget, that ark design was revealed by ALLAH to Noah, as mentioned in Quran:

    "And construct the ship under Our Eyes and with Our Revelation, and call not upon Me on behalf of those who did wrong; they are surely to be drowned." (11:37)

    So, ALLAH who revealed him the design then he who survived Noah and his family from the flood..
    And, ALLAH knows better.

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  7. I remind you that the shape was discussed in Quran (Houd 37) { وَاصْنَعِ الْفُلْكَ بِأَعْيُنِنَا وَوَحْيِنَا }, the word "Fulk" in Lissan al Arab means something round and not rectangular: http://www.baheth.info/all.jsp?term=%D9%81%D9%84%D9%83
    So there must be another explanation.

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  8. True my brother Ahmad, but not necessary round from its side, it could mean from bottom only, look i wrote on ships stability on part(13) and how it's best when its round from bottom read it on ..http://debatewithatheist.blogspot.com/2011/06/story-of-creation-13-oceans-waves-sea.html

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  9. Well I think I found it, the actual Noah's Ark coordinates are 39°26'26.26"N 44°14'5.30"E, near a village called Uzengili (Turkey) exactly at the base of the little mountain in that region called Masher-Cordu (Cudi-Dag or Judi-Da in local dialect) and not the mis-located Mount Judi 200 miles south!!
    Here is the link: http://amelyawentworth.blogspot.com/2012/02/where-is-noahs-ark.html

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  10. Dear Ahmad, I think you never read the article correctly, it's all to defeat what you are talking about, the shape that you are referring to it's a geological shape and it exists in many similar places on Earth, the ship must be near a river drain.. And the mountain is really named Judi as ALLAH said in Quran and not Cudi-dag..

    We can discuss this for long time, till turkish experts examine the location that i am referring to, then we can reach a solid conclusion..

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  12. Are there still people who visit this place ?

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  13. Are there still people who visit this place ?

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  14. me......nice article , i always interesting with the story of our prophets ....

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